I'm trying to put together an ear trainer for Hindi, starting with the search for a good minimal pairs list. I'd like to trade notes with anybody else working on Hindi or other Indian languages. Loving the book!

* Originally posted by pzriddle.

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  • Hi!

    I am getting started on Hindi and I am also looking for a minimal pair list. Have you anything to recommend?

    Thanks,

    * Originally posted by regagain.
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  • Whilst looking for something for Hindi I came across this http://journalsalr.com/data/documents/Sumana2008.pdf & this http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00urduhindilinks/shacklesnell/201basiccomponents.pdf don't know if you find it useful or not.

    * Originally posted by Stuart.
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  • Regagain, pleased to meet you!

    I found a good start at a minimal pairs list here:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.language.hindi/02qmtvRoUU0

    Using that as a base and with some additions from elsewhere, I came up with a list of a couple hundred pairs that I got someone to record at Fiverr.com.

    Here are links to the list and the audio file:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22366746/minimal-pairs-recording1.pdf

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22366746/minimal-pairs-recording1-simran05.wav

    I haven't yet had a chance to break up the audio file and put it into Anki. Would you have any interest in helping out with that?

    The recording has some issues. The speaker's intonation varies between samples even though I used the trick of providing each word twice. If I'd found someone to do the recording in person I could have modeled reading the list at a uniform pitch.

    (My experience with Fiverr is a story in itself. I contracted with three people, figuring I'd keep the best one or maybe use both male and female voices. Two of them waited several days and then canceled the contract. I knew the list might be too long for $5 so I only asked for a sample from the top and for them to name a price for the rest. They didn't explain why they canceled so I don't know whether I was unclear in my request or Fiverr is just not a good place to find reliable people. Maybe both.)

    Anyway, if you do anything with this please let me know. Thanks.

    * Originally posted by pzriddle.
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  • Stuart, thanks.

    There are lots of online resources for Hindi, none of them probably complete enough to avoid the need to buy a book. Here are a few I found useful.

    A very quick overview from Yale
    http://www.yale.edu/hindi/language.html

    Classic beginning textbooks from the Hindi-Urdu Flagship program at UT Austin
    (Hover over the "Resources" tab to see many more resources)
    http://hindiurduflagship.org/resources/learning-teaching/first-year-hindi-textbooks/

    The best of the informal, non-academic courses I've found
    http://www.learning-hindi.com/

    Online dictionaries
    http://hindi-english.org/
    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/bahri/
    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/caturvedi/

    Despite all this, I decided to work through the "Complete Hindi" set in the Teach Yourself series. I also bought Delacy's "Elementary Hindi." Neither is perfect but they are reasonably priced and complement each other well.

    http://smile.amazon.com/Complete-Hindi-Two-Audio-CDs/dp/0071766081/
    http://smile.amazon.com/Elementary-Hindi-MP3-Audio-Included/dp/0804844992/

    * Originally posted by pzriddle.
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  • Stuart, thanks. I just submitted another post with a bunch of online Hindi resources but I must have exceeded a limit of some kind. Perhaps my post is in a moderation queue and will appear shortly. If not, I can try resubmitting or starting a new thread.

    * Originally posted by pzriddle.
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  • Hi pzriddle,

    I am actually listening to the audio file right now, it's great. If I get some time i'll try to break it down into smaller files.

    Thank you for this.

    Using Fiverr is a great idea, wish I'd thought of that before.


    * Originally posted by Stuart.
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  • Hi!

    Great!

    For the vowels, I have found this: http://www.learning-hindi.com/post/82998949805/lesson-138-similar-hindi-sounds-part-1-vowels
    It includes good recordings and I have already made an Anki deck that I can share with you.





    * Originally posted by regagain.
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  • You can find the vowel deck, based on Gabe's model, at https://www.dropbox.com/s/gon53buyed8q5hp/Hindi_minimal_pairs_vowel.apkg?dl=0

    This is the first time I export a deck using Anki, so please let me know in case of issues.

    * Originally posted by regagain.
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  • Thanks! Very useful and very nicely formatted. It's a different model than Gabriel's from the book of playing two sounds andyour answering whether they are the same or different, but that one seems vulnerable to recording issues (like my Fiverr person's varying intonation).

    I did find a couple of blank cards, reported by the Blank Cards tool in Anki as:

    Empty card numbers: 3,4
    Fields: मेला / [sound:melaa.mp3] / melaː / fair, festival / मैला / [sound:mailaa.mp3] / / filthy / / / / /



    * Originally posted by pzriddle.
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  • I took the model from http://fluent-forever.com/gallery/ear-training-flashcards/#.VCRkmr5Ih24
    I had no idea that the model used in the book was different (actually I haven't read the book yet, but my copy is on its way :)).

    Thank you for reporting the blank cards.

    Today I've borrowed "Colloquial Hindi" (http://www.amazon.com/Colloquial-Hindi-Complete-Course-Beginners/dp/0415419565/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411671340&sr=8-1&keywords=colloquial hindi) from my local library. The pronunciation section seems quite thorough (something all too rare) and includes minimal pairs (and recordings).

    * Originally posted by regagain.
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  • Hello All,

    I have just recently started learning Hindi and had already started initial planning work on a Hindi Anki deck based on Gabe's approach.

    I was investigating available resources regarding Hindi minimal pairs when I came across your posts. Interestingly, I had come up with many/most of the same resources mentioned above! I am currently using the "Complete Hindi" book (by Rupert Snell), the "Colloquial Hindi" book, as well as the "www.learning-hindi.com" site. I also have a membership on the "hindipod101.com" site which has a great whealth of available resources. My focus so far has been on learning to read Devanagari and I now want to focus on developing good pronunciation and also on building up my vocabulary.

    I am very interested in collaborating with some/all of you in order to help build a full Hindi training deck (including ear trainer, spelling trainer, vocabulary lists, etc...). I would definitely like to avoid starting from scratch and "reinventing the wheel" if some of you have already made good progress on a Hindi deck. Instead, I could focus on areas which are still lacking so as to help evolve and augment the Hindi deck.

    @regagain, have you made further progress in on your Ear Traning deck? I really liked your first deck with the vowels. @pzriddle and Stuart, please let me know if you have interest in collaborating on a common deck.

    I look forward to hearing back from you!



    * Originally posted by Piero.
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  • Hi Piero,

    I am a little short on time at the moment, and the Hindi was really for my girlfriend (as I need to finishes learning French and move on to Dutch or German, then Chinese), who also tells me she is too busy to focus on this until the beginning of next year. However, in the meantime, I do have some friends who I am planning to ask to put the minimal pairs sounds etc together for me (all native speakers). So if and when I get that done I will publish them for you.

    Regards

    Stuart

    * Originally posted by Stuart.
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  • Fellow Hindi learners,

    I have made some updates to the deck initially posted by regagain.

    The main additions I have made are:

    - Added new minimal pair cards to cover "aspirated vs. non-aspirated consonants" for unvoiced consonants.
    - Added some missing IPA transcriptions to the existing cards.
    - Deleted cards reported as empty by Anki.

    The updated deck is available at https://www.dropbox.com/s/66puk336ti9sla5/Hindi.apkg?dl=0.

    Your comments regarding errors or omissions are welcome!

    In the upcoming days/weeks I plan to add more minimal pairs to cover "retroflex vs. dental consonants" as well as "aspirated vs. non-aspirated consonants" for voiced consonants.

    * Originally posted by Piero.
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  • Hi All,

    Thanks for the resources. I'm just getting started out. Gabe's book has really got me excited.

    Piero, I couldn't follow the link on your last post. Dropbox said it has been moved or deleted.

    Another resource that I'd recommend is Crazy Lassi's site http://learnhindifree.blogspot.in/ she has a youtube channel as well.

    I'd be interested if anyone has updated ear training decks. There hasn't been a post on this thread in 9 months, so I'm hoping one of you has!

    Thanks so much!
    Tenzin

    * Originally posted by Tenzin.
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  • Hello Tenzin! I did not get the chance to continue very far on the Hindi deck, as I switched over to German due to an upcoming trip to Germany next summer (India will be in 2017!). I am using Gabe's approach (combined with Assimil texts material) for German, and it is going very well. I definitely intend to go back to Hindi after my trip to Germany, so I will be very interested in your progress.

    Here is a new link to the latest version of the Hindi deck that I had been working on. I hope that it will be useful to you as a starting point:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57361317/Hindi_Anki/Hindi.apkg

    Please let me know if this link works. If not, I will try something else.

    Piero

    * Originally posted by Piero.
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  • Hi Piero,

    I know this is an old thread but I'm just beginning to learn Hindi and am looking for an Anki deck for pronunciation. The link for your desk is no longer valid and I wanted to know if that Anki deck is still around and if I may use it? I'd really appreciate it!!

    * Originally posted by Akeehan.
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  • @piero I realized I forgot to tag you in my comment above.

    * Originally posted by Akeehan.
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  • Hello @Akeehan,

    Sorry for the delayed reply. I was out of country all last week, with very limited internet access.

    Over the past few months I have gone back to working on Hindi using the book "Complete Hindi" by Rupert Snell. I am finding that to be a great book! I also have a good only tutor that helps me with learning Hindi (including pronounciation).

    I now find that Hindi pronunciation has not been so much of a challenge, since many of the sounds already exist in other languages that I speak. The only new sounds where I am still needing improvement are the "aspirated" vs "non-aspirated" as this is a new language feature for me. I can hear the difference, but sometimes I over-exaggerate (or under-exaggerate) the aspiration, so I still need to fine-tune that in order to be properly understood all the time. Also, the distinction between a "retroflex-R" and "retroflex-D" can still pose a challenge for me in getting the right pronunciation.

    Given all that, I have not had the chance to make many updates to the pronunciation deck.

    However, here is the latest version where I left off. I hope it is useful to you. If you add to it, then please let me know and we could continue collaborating in order to get a more complete deck.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/sh0tnoaq24spckx/My Hindi Deck__1. Minimal Pairs.apkg?dl=0

    Regards,

    Piero

    * Originally posted by Piero.
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  • Thank you very much @Piero. I'm quickly running around the internet finding resources for my visit to India in 7 days haha and I really appreciate your creating and adding this deck.

    You rock my friend.

     

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