target language presence in google images is nonexistent

In fluent forever book, gabe talked about The Spot the Differences Game: Finding Meaning Through Google Images I guess this is very important if you are learning languages using fluent forever method, but my question is if your target language presence in Google images is nonexistent (i.e classical arabic, hausa, igbo, etc), how do you handle this problem of learning using pictures without effectively playing the spot the difference game: finding meaning through Google images.

* Originally posted by esudil.

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  • I just want to say this is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflects Gabe's, but I think the "Spot the Differences Game" is an excellent way to engage with the process of learning a new language in ways that we normally don't. That games is fun and can give some interesting insights on the culture behind the language you are trying to learn. All of this can make it easier and more fun to learn, however I don't think the "Spot the differences Game" is an essential part of learning a language. It's simply a neat tool which, if available, may be helpful to supplement your study practices. I wouldn't worry about trying to force yourself to play that game in a language which has no presence in google. You can still learn it without playing the game.

    * Originally posted by Leo_FF.
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  • Leo's right. It's a really handy game, but you simply can't play it for some languages. In those cases, you want to push through the 625 as quickly as possible, so you can get to sentences as quickly as you can. (At which point the individual differences between languages will come out of seeing the words used in context)

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • Thanks Leo and Gabe.

    Please Gabe could you give us an estimate time the Arabic pronunciation trainer would be released or at least beta trainer would be released. I am having a difficult time learning the language due to the pronunciation (especially minimal Pair).


    * Originally posted by esudil.
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  • Hi, Esudil! We're expecting a late-October release. Our apologies for the delay: Korean and European Spanish took much longer than expected, and we've had to push our production schedule back a bit. We very much appreciate your patience!
    ~Lauren, Gabe's assistant

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • For the spot the difference game, indeed it can be hard if your language isn't represented so well. I'm finding nothing distinct like the demos in Gabes videos - no full pages of chickens :-)

    because I can't get multi search to work (firefox, with a non represented language)
    and because it's hard to find a functioning google basic images search:

    I found the following links from Gabes 'Image Search' menu very helpful. The button-logo they provide is to be click- dragged to live under the address bar on your browser.
    "A reader sent over these two bookmarklets for setting up Image Search a bit quicker, so feel free to check them out as well! "
    http://www.onlinesales.co.uk/tools/tools/translate-bookmarklet.php
    http://www.onlinesales.co.uk/tools/tools/bk-basic-image-search.php

    I also found a fire fox ad-on "S.3 Google Translate 5.02"

    The combination of those three tools - the above links plus the translate ad-on - solved the problems of broken multi search/basic images quite nicely

    Can Gabe or someone else answer - can you explain what Gabe means by 'in these cases [of not being able to rely on google images to spot the difference] push through the 625 as quickly as possible so you can get to sentences as quickly as you can' ? (Elsewhere Gabe says to build up a foundation of the first few hundred)

    Does this mean get translations however you can, or does it mean build up 625 words flash cards without pictures, or does it mean just learn them as quickly as possible - what exactly does 'quickly push through the 625 words ASAP' mean, in a practical sense?


    * Originally posted by Meher Baba.
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  • Here's what I do in that case:

    If I can't quickly find the picture in the language version of Google images (sometimes I can't, for example a common word that's also a brand name for a car), I just look for it in English. Just get a visual picture that says "The Word" to you, and make your 625 with those.

    I think sometimes folks get hung up trying to do "Perfect Fluent Forever" with the flash decks, instead of creating something "good enough," and using GW's suggestions when possible.

    * Originally posted by SoniaS.
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  • Well said, @SoniaS. Generating cards takes long enough, and in some target languages the Google images are often far from helpful.

    * Originally posted by Lance.
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  • By 'push through the first 625 as quickly as possible', I mean make picture cards using English, load them with as many personal associations as you can to keep them memorable and *interesting*, and then get to sentences. If you find yourself getting bored (which is more likely without the spot the differences game), then skip to sentences earlier, perhaps after 300 words or so.

    SoniaS is perfectly right. This is a toolbox, and sometimes the tools aren't going to work perfectly, and your goal at that point is to make do and make something that's good enough, rather than perfect.

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • One more thing - I'm going to be writing a blog post soon about a big update to the Fluent Forever methodology that should help a LOT for languages that don't have a good Google presence. It's basically about how to jump *straight* to sentences after finishing pronunciation, basically letting you learn all the 625 in the context of sentences with the help of a tutor.

    I need to set a few things in motion for the Arabic trainer first (and answer the last 3 weeks of emails!) but I've been wanting to write that for a while now. So stay tuned on that front!

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • ok waiting patiently

    * Originally posted by esudil.
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