Organisation and Cleaning Out Anki Decks

Hello, My apologies if this has been answered already, but I have purchased a pronunciation trainer and word list for my target language. The pronunciation trainer loaded correctly into Anki and I am using it. Currently my Anki looks like this: - Default - Model Deck - Minimal Pairs - Everything Else - My Spanish Deck - Minimal Pairs - Everything Else - Spanish (Latin America) Pronounciation - Spanish (LA) Rules and Examples - Spanish (LA) Minimal Pairs I have two model decks as one is downloaded from the website (Model Deck), the other (My Spanish Deck) from the CreativeLive course materials. I will delete one of those once I've finished going through the CreativeLive course as I use it for the practise things in the video. In order to clean up my Anki and begin creating my words, do I create these within the pronunciation trainer deck or in a new deck i.e. My Spanish Deck? Keeping the trainer and what I do separate? Or should they all be in one deck, which is what was said in the CreativeLive videos? If I do combine everything into one deck, which settings do I use, as I notice the trainer has different card settings to the model deck i.e. 28 instead of 30 is what comes to mind.

* Originally posted by ajstewart79.

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  • Hi,
    Like you, I actually have been studying Spanish. I used the word lists and pronunciation trainer, and actually already used the Model Deck to create 3000 sentences, and study a grammar book, and more. =)

    The pronunciation trainer is mainly to be studied from. You don't really want to be creating new cards in that deck, as the cards there are all you need to study and work on your Spanish pronunciation.

    If you want to create new flashcards for your own word/picture cards (from the word list) OR sentence cards, it's best to just put them in a new deck i.e. My Spanish Deck (as you suggested).

    With Anki, you can have decks and sub-decks. In my case, what I do is have an overall Spanish deck, then within that Spanish deck it contains all my other sub-decks (like the pronunciation trainer, minimal pairs, model deck/sentences deck, etc).

    Mine looks like this:

    -SPANISH
    00. Spanish (Latin American) Pronunciation
    01. Minimal Pairs
    02. Spanish Words from Word List
    03. 1st half of Spanish Grammar Book
    and so on....


    All of my sub-decks are based on Gabe's step-by-step method in the Creative Live video course. Then when I study, I just study from the overall SPANISH deck (as this deck includes all the cards from the sub-decks).

    The benefit of having a main Spanish Deck, and then sub decks within it is that you can keep your cards organized, and just study from that 1 deck (because it includes all the others).

    Another benefit is that you can control the settings of all cards easily by just changing the settings of the main Deck. So in my case, I increased the limit in the Spanish deck to 30 cards per day - and this can affect the max limit for all sub-decks.

    That's what I would recommend to you, but of course you can change it to suit what you prefer.

    In order to create a main Spanish deck, and then make all the other ones as sub-decks, first "Create a New Deck" and call it Spanish. Then drag all the other decks into this new SPANISH deck.

    Let me know if you have any other questions.

    ¡Sigue adelante!

    Matthew
    Fluent Forever Team

    * Originally posted by Matthew Alberto.
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  • Hi Matthew,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Just so I'm clear before I start messing around, I should:

    1. Delete the deck that is called Model Deck as this is redundant. I downloaded two Anki Model Decks originally, one called Model-Deck-May-2014.apkg (from website) and one called Standard Model Deck.apkg (from CreativeLive). I'm not sure which is which and I guess it doesn't matter? I did notice that when making some practise cards I have multiple copies of the templates (which I'm assuming is because I have two model decks) i.e. Picture Words and Picture Words-e0826, the templates are slightly different in terms of having IPA in a separate box I think was the only difference. Should I delete one set? If so, which set?

    2. Delete all cards currently in the deck called My Spanish Deck as these cards are ones I have made while watching the CreativeLive course, so are in multiple languages. Then this deck will become my 'main' Spanish deck and should have the correct settings as per this link: http://help.fluent-forever.com/the-fluent-forever-word-lists/what-settings-should-i-use-for-my-anki-decks

    3. Drag the sub-decks currently called: 1.Spanish (LA) Spelling Rules and Examples & 2.Spanish (LA) Minimal Pairs, into my Main Deck (My Spanish Deck). Rename them slightly to 00.Spanish Pronunciation & 02. Minimal Pairs

    4. Delete the now empty sub-deck called Minimal Pairs from my main deck (My Spanish Deck), since I already have a minimal pairs sub-deck as part of the pronunciation trainer with cards made, which I have now dragged into this main deck and renamed.

    5. Begin creating my 625 word list cards in the main deck (My Spanish Deck) under the sub-deck 'everything else', or as you renamed it Spanish words.

    A couple of questions:

    1. Once I drag the pre-made sub-decks into my new 'main' deck, those sub-decks will remember where I am up to i.e. it won't start over again with the cards in the pronunciation trainer sub-decks?

    2. What will happen to the sub-deck settings i.e. the pronunciation trainer sub-decks use the settings 20 new cards per and show cards in order uploaded? Or does this not really matter? The reason I ask that is I know that sub-decks can have their own individual settings, but on some sub-decks I get the message: "Your changes will affect multiple decks...etc"

    * Originally posted by ajstewart79.
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  • Hi,

    REGARDING YOUR STEPS:
    1) Yes, it's correct that it doesn't really matter which one you keep as they are pretty much the same. If I were you though, I would keep the one called Model-Deck-May-2014.apkg (from website). The reason is because if we make changes/updates in the future to the Model Deck, then we would most likely take the website version into consideration, and then place the new updated on the website. Again, it doesn't really matter which one you keep.

    2) That's OK. If you delete the cards you created in languages other than Spanish because you were trying it out while you watched the CreativeLive course, then that's fine.

    3. Yes. For your information, you can number them as you like. I just did that personally because I noticed that sub-decks are ordered alphabetically automatically, but for me I wanted to organize the sub-decks according to the sequential steps that I took. So, I placed numbers in front of the titles, so that they could be ordered that way. This is really up to you if you want to do that.

    4. Yes, you can delete the empty Minimal Pairs deck because there's no use for it. You already have a Minimal Pairs deck with cards in it from the Pronunciation Trainer.

    5. Yes, correct. It's up to you whether you want to just put all your new words and sentence cards in "Everything Else" or you want to create sub-decks for Words, then Sentences, etc (just to organize it more for yourself).



    REGARDING YOUR QUESTIONS:
    1. If you drag decks in that Anki main menu, Anki will still remember where you are up to. Anki will only forget where you are up to in certain decks and sub-decks if you delete a particular deck or sub-deck.

    2. Yes, each sub-deck can have it's own individual settings, but the individal settings of the sub-decks cannot exceed the limits set by the main deck. For example, if your main deck has a max of 30 cards per day, but 1 sub-deck within it has a max of 50 cards per day - but then you study from the main deck, then the main deck will restrict the cards shown from the sub-deck to a max of 30 only.

    I agree with you that the pronunciation trainer has different settings. You can increase the Pronunciation Trainer sub-deck to a max of 30 if you would like. Whenever a sub deck says: “Your changes will affect multiple decks…etc” that means that this sub-deck may have sub-sub-decks that are nested within it, and so changes to the sub-deck will affect the sub-sub-decks.

    I suggest studying from the main deck for a few days or a week or 2 to see how many cards you can actually study on a day to day basis. Then from there, you can change your max card revisions to suit the time and energy you have available daily.

    Matthew Alberto
    Fluent Forever Team




    * Originally posted by Matthew Alberto.
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  • Brilliant. Thanks :-)

    * Originally posted by ajstewart79.
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  • Hi Matthew,

    Sorry, I have a couple of further questions re the sub-deck settings. I have sorted my Anki deck, deleted everything and have just one deck with sub-decks now. So it looks like this:

    - Spanish Deck
    00. Spanish (LA) Spelling Rules and Examples
    01. Minimal Pairs
    02. Picture Words
    03. Grammar & Everything Else

    I have kind of changed the settings under options to be the same as this: http://help.fluent-forever.com/the-fluent-forever-word-lists/what-settings-should-i-use-for-my-anki-decks

    When I go into options I see the following:

    Options Group: Default
    Options Group: General Pronunciation Trainer
    Options Group: Grammar
    Options Group: Pronunciation
    Options Group: Spelling (Pronunciation Trainer)

    The default one is set to the settings in that link, however, some of these other ones have different settings. The different settings include:

    - Show new cards in order added
    - Amount of new cards per day
    - Steps in minutes
    etc etc

    So I'm a little confused about which settings I am meant to be using. The link above makes it sound like those are the settings to use for everything from the main to sub decks. So at the moment when I click the 'gear' and select options, this is what comes up for the main deck and sub-decks:

    - Spanish Deck (Default)
    00. Spanish (LA) Spelling Rules and Examples (General Pronunciation Trainer)
    01. Minimal Pairs (Pronunciation)
    02. Picture Words (Default)
    03. Grammar & Everything Else (Default)

    Should I change everything to 'default'?

    Or are the decks that came with the pronunciation trainer meant to have different settings?

    I'm worried that I may have changed the settings from the original ones anyway when I have been playing around.

    * Originally posted by ajstewart79.
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  • Hi,
    I checked with Gabe personally about this and he said:

    "Ah, this 30/day recommendation is about learning vocab and is just a rough rule of thumb. The trainers need to be absolutely fixed at either 28 or 32, depending upon the trainer. "

    So to answer your question specifically: No, do not change everything to "Default".

    The settings for the cards in the Pronunciation Trainers are meant to have different settings to be optimal for you.

    You can, however, use the "Default" settings for all other cards such as your vocab and sentence cards.

    Matthew

    * Originally posted by Matthew Alberto.
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  • Thanks for following up Matthew, however I may have inadvertently changed the settings for the pronunciation trainer folders when I didn't understand what I was changing.

    So the settings currently look like this:

    – Spanish Deck (Default)
    00. Spanish (LA) Spelling Rules and Examples (General Pronunciation Trainer)
    01. Minimal Pairs (Pronunciation)
    02. Picture Words (Default)
    03. Grammar & Everything Else (Default)

    Have I changed the settings on these two? Should either of these be set as 'grammar' or 'spelling (pronunciation trainer)'

    This is what it says under the first tab of options for each:

    00. Spanish (LA) Spelling Rules and Examples (General Pronunciation Trainer)
    New cards (in minutes): 10
    Order: Show new cards in order added
    New cards/day: 28
    Graduating intervals: 2
    Easy interval: 4
    Starting ease: 250%
    Bury related new cards until the next day: unchecked

    01. Minimal Pairs (Pronunciation)
    New cards (in minutes): 1 1 1 1
    Order: Show new cards in order added
    New cards/day: 8
    Graduating intervals: 1
    Easy interval: 3
    Starting ease: 250%
    Bury related new cards until the next day: unchecked

    At the moment I don't have anything with the settings:
    - grammar
    - spelling (pronunciation trainer)

    Otherwise, I could just delete everything and start over since I am yet to start creating any of my own cards?

    * Originally posted by ajstewart79.
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  • Your cards are fine. I suggest that you can go ahead and start studying your cards. Enjoy!

    Matthew
    The Fluent Forever Team

    * Originally posted by Matthew Alberto.
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  • Thanks :-)

    * Originally posted by ajstewart79.
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