how do you use mnemonics to learn arabic verbs using PAO

how do you use mnemonics to learn arabic verbs using PAO, the problem is arabic verbs already comes attached with an attached pronoun which makes it difficult to use the person in PAO system. for example the word for to write is written has كَتَبَ which means he wrote. how do use mnemonics or PAO system to learn all the verb conjugation to write, i need help on this issue. for more explanation of arabic verb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_verbs

* Originally posted by esudil.

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  • Hi Esudil - PAO is handy for connecting a whole group of verbs together (i.e., if you have 50 verbs that all follow ONE conjugation pattern and 100 verbs that follow a DIFFERENT conjugation pattern). If you wanted help in remembering which conjugation pattern a new verb followed (#1 or #2), you could assign that verb a person or an object to do that. It's not useful for memorizing each and every individual conjugation of a single verb - you'll use individual flashcards for that.



    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • Hey gabe
    Thank you very much for your reply really appreciates what you are doing, keep up the good work. I am patiently waiting for the Arabic pronunciation trainer because right now I am struggling with Arabic pronunciation which is affecting my learning process of the language, hope it would come out late august as schedule.

    One more question in your book, you talked about using mnemonics (PAO) eg Arnold schwarzenegger for broken plural of a noun. Well Arabic has lots of broken (irregular) plural for both nouns and adjectives.

    I realized some of these words stated below follow the same irregular plural pattern (form 1- فُعُوْلٌ) –star, ice, tear(drop), king, pocket, contract, heart, wine, prison, month, root, male, house, head, science, brideg, farm, face, army, war, seed, roof, old man, crowd, poison
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 2-فُعُلٌ)-earth, new, book
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 3- فِعَالٌ)-young, dog, short (height), long (tall), strong, mountain, sand, sea, beautiful, home, man, good, great, hill, fast, weak, light (heavy)
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 4- أَفْعَالٌ)-moon, river, neck, body, rain, money, price, year, stone, dead, voice, paper, fish, tree, pe, game, movie, market. Shoulder, time, meter, colour, half, dreams, cow, husband, door, person, son, religion, pattern.
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 5- أَفْعُلٌ)-foot, leg, sea, eye, month, work, deed
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 6-فُعَلاءُ)-old, ancient, water, happy, sad, poor
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 7- أَفْعِلاءُ)-dollar, rich
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 8- فَعَالِيلٌ)-key, famous, knife, exercise, skirt, chair, garden, cup,bill
    Another irregular plural pattern (form 9- فَعَالِلٌ)-exercise, beach, island, peninsular, boat, lamp, hotel, court, letter, job, kitchen, poor, expensive, building, office, building, school, coat
    Note that some of this words have more than one broken plural, my question is you wrote in your book that we cook use either person or object. Now how you attached a person or an object to the patterns written above. Please I would love a really good example.






    * Originally posted by esudil.
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  • The absolute easiest thing to hook into nouns are verbs, as per the gender examples in the book (e.g. burning = feminine, melting = masculine, etc...). I'm assuming that you're using verbs already to remember gender, but if you're not, then I'd use verbs to handle the plurals here.

    So..if you're already using verbs to remember gender, then I'd suggest using people to remember plural nouns:

    Normal Plural form (#0): Yourself
    Irregular plural form #1: Shrek
    Plural form #2: Albert Einstein
    Plural form #3: Barack Obama
    etc...

    So, examples:
    Shrek burns a star (He takes a flamethrower to the sky, lights a star on fire, it burns away into nothing) = star is feminine, plural form #1

    Albert Einstein burns a book (easy to visualize)= book is feminine, plural form #2

    Barack Obama melts a dog (Takes a dog, puts it in a pot on his stove, turns it up until the dog melts into a puddle) = Dog is masculine, plural form #3
    .


    You have some adjectives in that list (young, short, etc). Those I'd treat differently, with an object, because objects fit better with adjectives.

    Plural adjective form #1: A donkey
    Plural djective form #2: Chalk from a chalkboard
    Plural adjective form #3: A fancy pen

    new: You have a new box of chalk on your chalkboard. You break the seal and open it up to reveal the newest damn chalk you've ever seen (plural form 2)

    young: You give a fancy pen to a young child. He throws it on the floor and breaks it. You're furious with yourself and him, because it was such a fancy pen. (plural form 3)

    etc.


    I'm not sure what you mean by 'some of these words have more than one broken plural'. Let me know if that clears things up some!






    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • thank you very much, really great answer. so let get this straight you are advising that i attached mnemonics for both nouns and adjective plural forms.

    and for your question "I’m not sure what you mean by ‘some of these words have more than one broken plural’. Let me know if that clears things up some!"

    actually if you look at the word "poor" it appears both in form 6 and 9.

    * Originally posted by esudil.
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  • Maybe one is better off just learning the broken plurals along with the singular. So, for example, when learning طفل for baby, learn also أطفال for babies, rather than trying to recall just which one of the numerous plural categories it belongs to; كتاب / كتب ; صديق / أصدقاء ; and so on, ad infinitum. This seems to be the most common advice that I've seen.

    As for pronunciation, there's a reasonable amount of free stuff on the internet, YouTube clips and the like, although not nearly so much for Arabic as for lots of other languages. Even Google Translate doesn't sound too hopeless, although it includes all the MSA endings, so it won't really sound like spoken Arabic. A good place for general links is: http://arabic.desert-sky.net/links.html

    * Originally posted by Lance.
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  • @esudil: Ah..if poor has two things, then just add another character or object. Arnold Schwarzenegger AND Albert Einstein are begging on the street, etc.

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • A note on PAO for verbs:

    Usually verbs will fall into a few groups, and you have to simply memorize which verbs are which. From a quick reading of this:
    http://arabic.desert-sky.net/g_conj.html

    It seems like arabic is pretty *regular*, and doesn't require you to memorize all that much. The verb stem seems to tell you all you need, so you don't need mnemonics for that. You can experiment with using mnemonics to help you sort a new verb into the right category (it may be more memorable to lump the assimilated weak verbs together under one character - if Arnold Schwarzenegger is somehow involved in all assimilated weak verbs, for instance, that may help you remember that they're all conjugated in the same way, rather than trying to separately remember that verbs starting in و AND verbs starting in ي are conjugated in the same way). But since Arabic seems like it's so regular and predictable based upon the stems, you may find that adding mnemonics for verbs is unnecessary.

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • i think you need to read this http://www.cjk.org/cjk/arabic/cave/cavehelp.htm arabic verbs are filled with irregularities

    * Originally posted by esudil.
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