Purchased Most Awesome Word list confused about how it integrates with flashcard

I really enjoyed the book and feel I understand the concept of using Anki and cards to learn the first 625 or 1000 words, but I feel like I'm missing the best practices for using the Most Awesome Word list AND the techniques in the book. I purchases the Most Awesome Word list but it seems to be it's own things, and the flash cards are their own thing. How do they integrate, am I supposed to copy the image on each individual story with a circle around the part of the image corresponding to the foreign word? That's the only way I can conceive of using that list WITH the flashcards. Maybe I'm making it too complicated and when it's all said and done the MAWL and the flash cards are meant to be reviewed continuously and separately until the words are learned. Any advice? Thanks to all for you assistance.

* Originally posted by srj19.

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  • Thanks for the question. The word list is a tool in itself and isn't meant to be transferred into Anki. However, many of our customers use the information in the word lists (as well as the audio files) to create their own Anki flashcard decks. Please let us know if we can answer any more questions that may pop up as you begin this process.
    ~Lauren, Gabe's assistant

    * Originally posted by Gabriel Wyner.
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  • Hi Guys,

    I have to say I'm struggling with the same thing. I like the way the awesome word list is as random an order as you get imagine and there is a bit of extra info about each word (gender, word type, alternatives etc) but I find I just copy make up my flash cards and then ignore the word list after that.

    The intro to the word list suggested that by learning words in context they work form a closer association but Anki kind of messes this up as soon as you start remembering some better than others. Also, I tend to bulk add cards on the weekends when I have time so I don't run out through the week when I'm busy to the pictures from one page naturally blend into those on the next.

    I tried making flash cards out of the pictures with the words associated with each picture on the reverse as a way of creating additional connections; but it just felt cumbersome and annoying so I stopped. I like the techniques in the hacking FF post but I'm not familiar enough with the methods to make it work yet (as you said in your post, but also having gone ahead and tried it anyway).

    I'm not criticising the word list, though - it's just that it seems like a resource I could/should be making better use of.

    Adrian

    * Originally posted by mowat27.
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  • What I started doing, is to create a card for a new word and create a sentence that contains the new word and an unrelated word I already know (and using the Word List to select word associations would be the logical choice). Then I have Anki test me on the sentence in the fill-in-the-blank format. Ex. "The ___ orbits around the earth" and "The moon orbits around the ___" (you could also have the picture from the word list appear in the Anki card when you are tested on the sentence). Once you get more advanced enough you can create a more complex sentence or a mini-story which incorporates a few more words, but that may be more work than it's worth.

    Note: The earth/moon sentence works, but is not memorable. Ideally you could say something like "In the book "Seveneves", the ___ shatters into pieces and comes crashing down on the ___ killing all living things". Of course this would require a more advanced knowledge of the language so in the beginning it is ok not to waste too much time and effort creating sentences that are too complex to handle.

    * Originally posted by Leo_FF.
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  • Thanks to those who have responded. I don't think I am there yet with a concept on how to do this for me.

    I think the part where I trip up with The Most Awesome Word List (TMAWL) is that it's so different than the single image/single word approach done for learning the 625/1000 words as presented in the book.

    It does seem that TMAWL and the ANKI approach at first don't play well together. I was hoping that somebody had bridged that gap and found a way.

    The best I could come up with was to take a screen shot of the illustration, paste into MS Paint, crop out the unwanted stuff, draw a circle or directional arrow to highlight the word/concept and THEN use the single word approach. This would seem to keep the benefit of context and relationship from the image and yet target just one word. Independent review of just TMAWL could be interspersed with these flashcards. Even better would be if groups of Flashcards could be clustered so that random clusters were presented to you but once a cluster was displayed, all the words from that cluster were presented. This would reinforce the word relationships used in TMAWL.

    * Originally posted by srj19.
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  • @srj19 - I'm not throwing in the towel yet! I would like to experiment with an idea that is a hybrid of the awesome word list, lang-8, your grammar book and Gabe's post on hacking FF.

    Here's how it would work...

    1. learn the 625 words from TMAWL - pay attention to the pictures but don't sweat it
    2. once you have some vocab, make flash cards out of the examples in your grammar book as describe in the FF book and also make up your own examples based on the pictures from TMAWL
    4. validate them on lang-8 and make flashcards with your examples and any surprising corrections you receive

    For bonus points, you can get a tutor on italki.com to say each of the examples so you can record them for your flashcards. I'm not sure if this will be time-effective though because it takes time to find a suitable tutor and schedule a lesson. lang-8 is much quicker.





    * Originally posted by mowat27.
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  • @srj19 – p.s. simply slicing the pictures in TMAWL into flashcards is unlikely to be as effective as playing spot the difference with Google images because it creates a weaker connection to the word.

    * Originally posted by mowat27.
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  • I don't believe the original question was ever answered.

    I have also bought TMAWL (Mandarin version) and am confused as to how to integrate it into flashcards.

    My first thought since there are roughly 90 different pictured stories to make 90 separate decks in the different 'themes'. For example taking the first pictured theme calling it something like "Looking at the sky" make separate flash cards for the various words listed dìqiú, tiānkōng, shàng, yuèliàng, yī, báisè, diǎn, xīng and then move on to the next pictured theme 'The Waiter' and repeat. Of course I don't see how the drawn themed picture can be integrated into the cards without some painstakingly tedious Photoshop or MS Art work.

    It seems easier to learn the words in the order provided and one can simply reference the picture provided in the book while running through the cards.

    Or make a master card deck using the 90 themes from TMAWL. For example, copy the TMAWL picture to Anki card, copy and paste all of the words for that theme in order with pronunciations

    Or am I making this too complicated and I should simply make one deck of all 625 words using the word order in TMAWL which is what Anki and you seem to be saying. If this is the case, what is the purpose of TMAWL? Am I looking at this wrong?

    Whew! That was a long post...

    Thanks,

    Craig

    * Originally posted by cab12.
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  • Hello,

    The Word List are meant to be used to make the flash cards. I used the Word list for Spanish, and for each word in the word list, I made an individual flash card.

    I went down the word list, and for each card, (using the 'Picture Word' format) and for each word, placed it in the top field, 'Word', then for the picture, as Gabe suggests in the book, I used Google Images (the Spanish version - Google.es, in my case) and searched for each word to get a sense of it, and chose one of the images to illustrate the card. The images on the word list are simply there to illustrate the word list - they aren't meant to go directly on the cards. I think creating the cards together is the point of their groupings - so you understand they are related concepts. Anki, you are correct, will then seperate these cards as you learn some more quickly than others, but you should still understand they are related, since this was your initial exposure to them.

    Any notes given on each word on the word list I added in the "Gender, Personal Connection, Extra Info (Back side)" box. (Here you should also place your own connection to the word, as Gabe describes in the book.)

    Then, in the 'Pronunciation' box I dragged and dropped the mp3 file for each word that comes with the word list, along with copying in the phonetic spelling of the word into this field as well, so the sound plays each time the card is presented (it's this interplay of image/sound that makes the cards powerful, so you're building the connection between the concept and the word in your target language without going through English (or whatever second language).

    For the last field 'Test Spelling' I always put a 'y', so another card is added, testing my spelling of the word.

    Speaking for myself, I've been using the pronunciation trainer and word list for about two months, and I'd say I'm retaining roughly 90% of the words over time.

    I hope this might help!

    Austin

    * Originally posted by AustinBrown.
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  • The idea is that you use the word list to then create the cards in Anki yourself. By doing it yourself rather than just uploading a premade Anki deck you're actually learning the word by producing the Anki card yourself. Making the card yourself is part of the learning process. I use the audio contained in the list package but I look up my own images to attach to the word, one I select using the Multisearch tool.

    Now that doesn't mean you're not free to do it in your own way for how it feels best for you and how you learn, but that's how it's supposed to be used. To drop the words in, the audio, then pick an image and create the card yourself. I don't even cut and paste the words just so I can type them out myself thereby involving a bit of spelling into the mix because I have to verify the spelling between the list and the new card I created. It adds one more step for me and being dyslexic I find it helpful to force in the spelling of words whenever possible.

    Learning a language isn't effortless, yes, you can get a 5k word shared deck list of words from Ankiweb, but that kind of dulls the learning process by not having any personal experience or connections to those words. By adding words as you encounter them on the list or in the stories or in the writing of your own stories which include new words you're connecting with the words in a more solid way than just, "Oh, here's another word I need to learn. Pineapple, cool".

    The story I create in my head while making a card, involves a pineapple being shoved up an elephants ass, is quite cartoonish, ridiculous and will be more easily remembered as a result. And I just came up with that example, but that's the kind of memory trick you can do when creating cards from the list.

    Intelligence is fine and good, but Einstein would have been nothing if not for imagination. Let your mind play and you'll find you remember everything more easily.

    * Originally posted by LetsPlayThisBro.
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